you don't remember the gun, ie, the only detail relevant to the hearing. it was a nonbanned weapon, a shotgun. why do you need an ar-15. >> the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attackers, intruders in her home, with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind knowing she has a scary looking gun gives her more courage when she's fighting hardened violent criminals. >> jon: when did it turn into three and four and five. jeez, where did she live the alamo? what are you talking about? let's move to the nra proposal. we'll move to something more mainstream. universal background checks. >> obviously we have some background checks.